Agentic workload PD separation analysis with trace-driven benchmarks
Systematic study of prefill-decode disaggregation for agentic LLM workloads using production GLM-5.1 coder trace (2.1M requests, 71B input tokens). Key findings: - Cache-aware routing improves TPOT p90 by 15% and APC from 20.8% to 44.7% without PD separation, matching PD-Sep's decode isolation benefit - PD separation adds +72% TTFT overhead (KV transfer) with no TPOT gain when using the same cache-aware scheduler - Prefill remains compute-bound even at 95% KV cache reuse (AI >1000x vs decode AI <2), but absolute FLOPs drop 71% from cache hits - For agentic MoE workloads, cache-aware routing > PD separation Infrastructure: - Trace sampler preserving session structure + hash_ids for prefix sharing - Async trace replayer with streaming TTFT/TPOT/E2E measurement - Unified cache-aware + token-level load-balanced global scheduler proxy supporting both PD-colocated and PD-disaggregated (Mooncake/RDMA) modes - vLLM 0.18.1 scheduler patch for KV transfer abort race condition - Roofline analysis tool for prefill/decode compute characterization Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.6 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
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# PD 分离在 Agentic Workload 下的系统分析
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## 1. Trace 特征 (GLM-5.1 Agentic Coder, 2h, 2.1M requests)
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```
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Total requests: 2,114,220
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Input tokens: 71.1B (avg 33.6k/req, p50=20k, p90=88k)
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Output tokens: 940M (avg 445/req, p50=80, p90=811)
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I/O ratio: 75.6x (aggregate), 217.8x (per-req median)
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Prefill share: 98% of total tokens
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Sessions: 1.3M (90% single-turn, 9% multi-turn)
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**与传统 chatbot workload 的根本区别:**
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| 特征 | Traditional Chatbot | Agentic Coder (GLM-5.1) |
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|------|-------------------|------------------------|
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| I/O ratio | 1-10x | **75.6x** |
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| Input p50 | 500-2000 tokens | **20,030 tokens** |
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| Output p50 | 200-500 tokens | **80 tokens** |
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| Prefill token share | 50-80% | **98%** |
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| >32k input | <5% | **38%** |
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| Multi-turn | 50-80% | **9%** |
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**KV Cache 复用特征:**
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Unique hash blocks: 20,650,883
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Shared blocks (ref>1): 9,749,379 (47%)
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Highly shared (ref>10): 2,428,160
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Intra-session reuse: 57%
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Top-10 blocks ref count: 64,754 (system prompt blocks)
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Theoretical cache hit: 71% (infinite cache, first 100k requests)
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```
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**Input length 分布与 token 占比:**
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<1k: 202,396 reqs ( 9%) 89M tokens ( 0%)
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1-8k: 380,009 reqs (17%) 1.6B tokens ( 2%)
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8-32k: 720,871 reqs (34%) 12.7B tokens (17%)
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32-65k: 405,371 reqs (19%) 19.4B tokens (27%)
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65-131k: 394,014 reqs (18%) 35.7B tokens (50%)
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>131k: 11,559 reqs ( 0%) 1.6B tokens ( 2%)
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50% 的 token 计算量来自 65-131k 的长 context 请求。
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## 2. DistServe 等 PD 分离的核心假设
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DistServe (OSDI'24), Splitwise, TetriInfer 等 PD 分离工作基于以下假设:
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### 假设 A: Prefill 和 Decode 有不同的计算特征
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- **Prefill**: compute-bound, 高 GPU 利用率, batch 越大越好
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- **Decode**: memory-bandwidth-bound, 低 GPU 利用率, latency-sensitive
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**在 agentic workload 中的验证**: ✅ 成立,但需要细化
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Roofline 分析显示(详见 Section 5):
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Arithmetic Intensity (FLOP/byte)
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Decode: 1.0 - 1.9 (memory-bound, 始终远低于 ridge point)
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Prefill 0% reuse: 23,000-72,000 (strongly compute-bound)
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Prefill 70% reuse: 10,000-42,000 (仍然 compute-bound!)
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Prefill 95% reuse: 1,900-10,800 (仍然 compute-bound!)
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Ridge point (H20): 37
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**即使 95% KV cache reuse,prefill 仍然是 compute-bound。** 但绝对计算量大幅减少。
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### 假设 B: PD co-location 导致互相干扰
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- Prefill 的大 batch 计算会抢占 GPU 资源,导致 decode 的 TPOT 升高
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- Decode 的持续小计算会占用 GPU 调度槽位,影响 prefill 吞吐
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**在 agentic workload 中的验证**: ⚠️ 干扰存在,但 **可被 cache-aware routing 消除**
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同一 cache-aware scheduler, TP=1, 8 GPU:
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Combined TP=1 DP=8: TPOT p90 = 0.073s
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PD-Sep TP=1 4P+4D: TPOT p90 = 0.074s
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→ 差异 <2%, 不显著
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对比 round-robin routing:
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Combined TP=1 DP=8 (RR): TPOT p90 = 0.086s
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Combined TP=1 DP=8 (cache-aware): TPOT p90 = 0.073s → -15%
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→ routing 改善 > PD 分离改善
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**原因**: cache-aware routing 让 high-cache-hit 的请求集中到特定 instance,
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每个 instance 的实际 prefill 新 token 数大幅减少(71% 被 cache),
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prefill-decode 干扰因 prefill 工作量降低而自然缓解。
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### 假设 C: KV Cache 传输开销可以忽略
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- DistServe 假设 P→D 的 KV 传输延迟远小于 prefill 计算时间
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- 在 InfiniBand/NVLink 等高带宽互联下成立
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**在 agentic workload 中的验证**: ❌ 不成立
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PD-Sep TTFT p50 = 1.261s vs Combined TTFT p50 = 0.731s (+72%)
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原因:
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1. Agentic workload 的 input 极长(p50=20k, p90=88k tokens),KV cache 很大
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2. 单请求 KV cache = 20k tokens × 48 layers × 2(K+V) × 512 bytes ≈ 1GB
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3. 更重要的是 await-prefill 链路的串行延迟:proxy → prefill → KV transfer → decode → first token
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### 假设 D: 专用 prefill 节点可以提高 prefill 吞吐
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- Prefill 节点不做 decode,GPU 利用率更高
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- 可以用更大的 batch size
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**在 agentic workload 中的验证**: ⚠️ 收益被 cache 稀释
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理论 prefix cache hit (infinite cache): 71% of input tokens
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实际 APC (Combined, cache-aware, 8 inst): 44.7%
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71% cache hit → 只有 29% 的 input tokens 需要实际 prefill compute。
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Nominal avg input 33.6k → Actual avg new prefill ~9.7k tokens。
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专用 prefill 的 GPU 利用率优势因 prefill 工作量降低而缩小。
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## 3. Roofline 分析:Prefill 在高 Cache Reuse 下的计算/访存特性
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### 3.1 模型计算结构
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Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B (MoE 128E top-8):
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48 layers, hidden=2048, heads=32, kv_heads=4 (GQA), head_dim=128
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FFN: 6144 intermediate per expert, 8 experts active per token
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Active params per token: ~3B
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H20 GPU: 148 TFLOPS (BF16), 4.0 TB/s HBM → Ridge point: 37 FLOP/byte
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### 3.2 Decode 永远 memory-bound
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SeqLen FLOP Bytes AI (F/B) Bound
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1,000 3.04e+10 3.01e+10 1.0 MEMORY
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16,000 3.63e+10 3.16e+10 1.1 MEMORY
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64,000 5.52e+10 3.63e+10 1.5 MEMORY
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128,000 8.03e+10 4.26e+10 1.9 MEMORY
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Decode 的 AI 始终 < 2,远低于 ridge point (37)。每个 decode step 只处理 1 个 token,
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计算量极小,瓶颈在于读取模型权重和全量 KV cache。
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### 3.3 Prefill 即使 95% reuse 仍然 compute-bound
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SeqLen Reuse% NewTok AI (F/B) Bound vs Decode
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32,000 0% 32,000 23,368 COMPUTE 18,190x
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32,000 50% 16,000 14,899 COMPUTE 11,597x
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32,000 70% 9,600 10,045 COMPUTE 7,819x
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32,000 90% 3,200 3,821 COMPUTE 2,974x
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32,000 95% 1,600 1,980 COMPUTE 1,542x
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64,000 0% 64,000 40,758 COMPUTE 26,813x
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64,000 70% 19,200 20,610 COMPUTE 13,559x
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64,000 90% 6,400 8,544 COMPUTE 5,621x
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64,000 95% 3,200 4,549 COMPUTE 2,993x
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### 3.4 为什么高 reuse 不改变 compute-bound 性质
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KV cache reuse 减少的:
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- K/V projection 计算(只算 new tokens)
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- KV 写入(只写 new tokens)
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KV cache reuse **不减少**的:
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- **Q×K^T attention**: 每个 new Q 都要和全部 seq_len 个 KV 做 attention
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FLOPs = new_tokens × seq_len × head_dim × num_heads × 2 × num_layers
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At 95% reuse, 32k seq: 1600 × 32000 × 128 × 32 × 2 × 48 ≈ 2×10^13
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这个二次项在长 context 下主导总计算量
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- **MoE FFN**: 每个 new token 激活 8 experts
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FLOPs = new_tokens × 3 × D × D_ffn × 2 × K_experts × num_layers
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**Prefill 只在接近 100% reuse (< 10 new tokens) 时才变成 memory-bound。**
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### 3.5 Prefill 什么时候变 memory-bound
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SeqLen=32,000: new_tokens ≈ 5-10 时 → AI ≈ 37 (ridge point)
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SeqLen=64,000: new_tokens ≈ 5-10 时 → AI ≈ 37
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在实际 agentic trace 中:
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Compute-bound prefills: 961 (96%)
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Memory-bound prefills: 37 (3%) ← 近 100% reuse 的极端 warm 请求
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### 3.6 关键洞察:"Compute-bound but lightweight"
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高 cache reuse 下的 prefill 处于一种独特状态:
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Prefill bound 类型: Compute-bound (不变)
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Prefill 绝对工作量: 大幅降低 (71% cache → 只算 29% 的 tokens)
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Prefill-Decode 干扰: 因绝对工作量降低而减轻 (不需要物理隔离)
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这解释了为什么 PD 分离没有帮助:
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- PD 分离解决的是 "prefill 太重干扰 decode" 的问题
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- 但 cache-aware routing 已经把 prefill 的实际工作量降到足够轻
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- 物理隔离(PD 分离)的收益被 KV 传输开销抵消
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## 4. 实验结果
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### 4.1 完整实验矩阵
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所有实验使用统一的 cache-aware + token-level load-balanced global scheduler。
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| Config | OK/N | TTFT p50 | TPOT p90 | E2E p50 | APC |
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| TP=8 DP=1 (single instance) | 998/1000 | 0.467s | 0.129s | 3.30s | 53.0% |
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| TP=2 DP=4 (4 inst, RR) | 997/999 | 0.844s | 0.095s | 4.92s | 33.5% |
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| TP=1 DP=8 (8 inst, RR) | 997/999 | 1.836s | 0.086s | 6.67s | 20.8% |
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| **TP=1 DP=8 (cache-aware)** | **997/999** | **0.731s** | **0.073s** | **4.48s** | **44.7%** |
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| TP=1 PD-Sep 4P+4D (cache-aware) | 509/564 | 1.261s | 0.074s | 5.61s | 40.2% |
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### 4.2 Cache-Aware Routing 的效果
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Round-robin → Cache-aware (Combined TP=1 DP=8):
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TTFT p50: 1.836s → 0.731s (-60%)
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TPOT p90: 0.086s → 0.073s (-15%)
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E2E p50: 6.673s → 4.480s (-33%)
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APC: 20.8% → 44.7% (+24pp)
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Cache-aware routing 的提升远大于 PD 分离的提升。
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### 4.3 修复工程问题的过程
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实验过程中发现并修复了多个 PD 分离的工程问题:
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| 问题 | 根因 | 修复 |
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| Decode engine crash | vLLM scheduler assert: KV transfer 回调时 request 已 abort | Patch scheduler.py: assert → graceful skip |
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| Head-of-line blocking | Proxy 按 request count 做 LB,不区分大小请求 | Token-level ongoing_tokens load balancing |
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| "Timeout waiting for P side ready" | Proxy fire-and-forget prefill, decode 盲等 KV | Await-prefill + kv_load_failure_policy=recompute |
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| Port collision on startup | 8 Mooncake instances 同时启动争抢 torch distributed port | Staggered startup + explicit MASTER_PORT |
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| Cache routing "rich get richer" | score = ongoing - alpha*cached 导致流量集中到一个 instance | Normalized scoring: ongoing/avg_load - alpha*cache_ratio |
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## 5. 结论
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### 5.1 PD 分离为什么在 Agentic Workload 不生效
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1. **Cache reuse 大幅降低 prefill 绝对工作量(71% cache hit → 只算 29%)**,使得 P-D 干扰不显著
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2. **Prefill 仍然 compute-bound**(即使 95% reuse,AI 仍 >1000),但每个请求的总 FLOPs 因 new_tokens 减少而大幅降低
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3. **Cache-aware routing 提供 "软 PD 隔离"**,效果等同于物理隔离但无 KV 传输开销
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4. **KV 传输开销不可忽略**(TTFT +72%),抵消了隔离收益
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5. **MoE 模型 active params 小**(3B),per-token compute 本身较轻
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### 5.2 PD 分离在什么条件下有价值
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| 条件 | Chatbot (有价值) | Agentic (无价值) |
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| Cache hit rate | <10% | **71%** |
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| Model active params | 70B (dense) | **3B (MoE)** |
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| I/O ratio | 1-10x | **75.6x** |
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| Per-request prefill FLOPs | Very high | **Low (after cache)** |
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| KV transfer cost vs prefill cost | Negligible | **Significant** |
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### 5.3 Agentic Workload 应该怎么优化
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1. **Cache-aware routing** (已验证有效): 用 ongoing_tokens + prefix_cache_hit 做联合调度,
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将 APC 从 20.8% (RR) 提升到 44.7%,TPOT p90 降低 15%
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2. **Cross-instance KV cache sharing**: 让多个 instance 共享全局 KV pool,
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进一步提升 cache hit 率接近理论 71%
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3. **Prefix pre-warming**: 对 cold start 请求(55%,0% cache hit),
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预计算 common prefix (system prompt blocks) 并分发到所有 instance
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4. **不同 workload 类型的差异化处理**:
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- Warm 请求 (22%, >90% cache hit, avg 1.3k new tokens): 几乎免费,任何 instance 都能处理
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- Cold 请求 (55%, 0% cache hit, avg 17.7k new tokens): prefill-heavy,需要有足够 compute
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- 可以用 request-type-aware routing 进一步优化
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# Prefill 在高 KV Cache Reuse 下的计算/访存分析
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## Model & GPU
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Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B (MoE 128E top-8)
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48 layers, hidden=2048, heads=32, kv_heads=4 (GQA), head_dim=128
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FFN: 6144 intermediate per expert, 8 experts active per token
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Active params: ~3B per token
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H20 GPU: 148 TFLOPS (BF16) / 4.0 TB/s HBM
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Ridge point: 37 FLOP/byte
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## 核心发现:Prefill 即使 95% reuse 仍然是 compute-bound
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SeqLen Reuse% NewTok AI (F/B) Bound vs Decode AI
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32,000 0% 32,000 23368 COMPUTE 18189x
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32,000 70% 9,600 10045 COMPUTE 7819x
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32,000 90% 3,200 3821 COMPUTE 2974x
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32,000 95% 1,600 1980 COMPUTE 1541x
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64,000 0% 64,000 40758 COMPUTE 26813x
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64,000 70% 19,200 20610 COMPUTE 13559x
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64,000 90% 6,400 8544 COMPUTE 5621x
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64,000 95% 3,200 4549 COMPUTE 2993x
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Decode (always):
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32,000 - 1 1.3 MEMORY 1x
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64,000 - 1 1.5 MEMORY 1x
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**关键**:
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- Decode 的 arithmetic intensity (AI) = 1.0-1.9 — 远低于 ridge point (37),始终 memory-bound
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- Prefill 即使 95% reuse (只有 5% 新 token),AI 仍然 >1000 — 远高于 ridge point,依然 compute-bound
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## 为什么高 reuse 的 prefill 仍然是 compute-bound?
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### 原因:Attention 的计算量与 seq_len 成正比
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当有 95% cache reuse (seq_len=64k, new_tokens=3200):
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Q projection: new_tokens × D × D → 只处理 3200 new tokens ✓
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K,V projection: new_tokens × D × D_kv → 只处理 3200 new tokens ✓
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→ 仍然要对全部 64k context 做注意力计算!
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= 3200 × 3 × 2048 × 6144 × 2 × 8 × 48
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→ 8 个 expert 的计算量仍然很大
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KV cache reuse 减少的是:
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- K/V projection 的计算(只算 new tokens)
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- KV 写入(只写 new tokens)
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但 **不减少的是**:
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- Q 对全部 context 的 attention(每个 new Q 都要和所有 64k tokens 做 attention)
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- MoE FFN 的计算(每个 new token 激活 8 个 expert)
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所以 prefill 的 FLOPs 虽然随 reuse 减少,但 **减少的是线性部分(投影),不减少的是二次部分(attention)**。
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在长 context 下,二次部分主导,使得即使 95% reuse,AI 仍远高于 ridge point。
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## Prefill 什么时候才变成 memory-bound?
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```
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SeqLen=32,000: new_tokens ≈ 5-10 时 (reuse > 99.97%) → AI ≈ 37
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SeqLen=64,000: new_tokens ≈ 5-10 时 → AI ≈ 37
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```
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只有在 **近乎 100% reuse**(仅 5-10 个 new tokens)时,prefill 才接近 memory-bound。
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在实际 agentic trace 中,只有 3% 的请求达到这个程度。
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## 对 PD 分离的影响:修正之前的分析
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### 之前的错误结论(已修正)
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> "Prefill 大部分是 cache lookup 不是 compute"
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这是 **错误的**。即使 70% cache reuse,prefill 的 AI 仍然是 decode 的 7000-14000 倍。
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Prefill 始终是 compute-bound,decode 始终是 memory-bound。
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### 那为什么 PD 分离在我们的实验中没有帮助?
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正确的解释不是 "prefill 变成了 memory-bound",而是:
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**1. Cache reuse 大幅减少了 prefill 的绝对计算量**
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```
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无 cache: avg 33.6k tokens × prefill compute = X FLOPs
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71% cache: avg 9.4k tokens × prefill compute = 0.28X FLOPs
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```
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虽然 prefill 仍是 compute-bound,但 **总工作量只有原来的 28%**。
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在 8 instance 并行 + cache-aware routing 下,每个 instance 的 prefill 负载非常轻,
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不足以产生对 decode 的显著干扰。
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**2. MoE 模型的 per-token compute 本身较小**
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Active params 只有 3B(全参数的 10%),单个 token 的计算量不大。
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对比 Dense 70B 模型,同样的 GPU 上 prefill-decode 干扰会严重得多。
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**3. Cache-aware routing 的 "负载均衡" 效应**
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当请求被路由到 cache 命中率高的 instance 时,该 instance 的实际 prefill 工作量更小,
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自然减少了 P-D 争抢。这相当于 routing 层面的 "软 PD 分离"。
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## 对比不同 workload 类型的 roofline 特征
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```
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Prefill AI Decode AI PD-Sep 价值
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Dense 70B, Chatbot: 200-1000x 1-2x HIGH (compute-heavy P 干扰 D)
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Dense 70B, Agent: 100-500x 1-2x MEDIUM (cache reduces P load)
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MoE 30B, Chatbot: 100-500x 1-2x MEDIUM
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MoE 30B, Agent: 50-200x 1-2x LOW (small active params + cache)
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← 我们的位置
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```
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**PD 分离的 ROI 随着 cache hit 率升高和模型 active params 减少而下降。**
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Agentic MoE 模型恰好在两个方面都不利于 PD 分离。
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## 实际 trace 的 prefill bound 分布
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```
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With actual trace prefix cache pattern (1000 sampled requests):
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Compute-bound prefills: 961 (96%)
|
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Memory-bound prefills: 37 (3%) ← 近 100% reuse 的 warm 请求
|
||||
(Decode is ALWAYS memory-bound)
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```
|
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|
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96% 的 prefill 仍然是 compute-bound,但 **absolute compute 因 cache 大幅降低**。
|
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这是一个 "compute-bound but lightweight" 的独特状态 —— bound 类型没变,但强度大幅降低。
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