# Frontier multi-case sufficiency: current finding ## Bottom line The existing evidence does **not** show that Frontier already solves config selection. The strongest Qwen30B match is an action-conditioned calibrated result, while the zero-shot/profile-only result selects the wrong TP family. The Qwen235B surfaces are useful follow-up cases, but decode ground truth and Frontier's execution semantics must be repaired before a match claim is valid. ## Qwen30B: calibration is decision-bearing Under the aligned maximum-SLO-feasible-throughput objective: | reading | Frontier selection | worst real regret | Kendall tau-b | |---|---|---:|---:| | profile-only | TP4/MNS32 or TP4/MNS64 | 25.63% | 0.0000 | | per-TP calibrated | TP2/MNS32 or TP2/MNS64 | 0.76% | 0.9668 | The calibrated run multiplies all simulated execution times by a separately fitted factor for each TP: TP1=0.723481, TP2=0.468089, TP4=0.352137. These factors were fitted to real end-to-end throughput on the same model/workload family. The large, TP-dependent residual is therefore evidence that the profile-only simulator misses action-dependent execution behavior; it is not evidence that the unmodified simulator predicts the action correctly. ## Qwen235B real response surfaces ### Prefill-only - 8/8 cells are complete primary searches. - The point-estimate top set contains all four TP8 cells, so a random cell has a 50% top-set hit probability. - Capacity brackets still separate all TP8 cells from all TP4 cells. Thus this case can test the **TP4 versus TP8** decision, but the current six probes do not distinguish MNS/MBT within TP8. ### Decode-only - Only 7/8 cells are fully valid; `TP2/DP4/EP8, MNS128, MBT384` is marked `partial_probe_before_failure` after an engine restart/port failure. - There are only two point-estimate score levels, and the top set contains 5/8 cells (62.5% random hit probability). - More importantly, all eight binary-search capacity brackets overlap the best observed lower bound. The current data cannot rule out any cell as optimal. Consequently, a decode top-set hit on these results is not a match. After the simulator selects a cell, the cheapest rigorous next step is to refine only that cell and one competing topology/batching cell until their capacity intervals separate or remain statistically indistinguishable. ## Frontier semantic coverage for Qwen235B The topology itself is expressible: Frontier exposes attention TP/DP and MoE TP/EP separately, so TP4/DP2/EP8 and TP2/DP4/EP8 need not be decomposed into independent scheduling and execution problems. The current execution model is not yet aligned, however: - no checked-in H20 Qwen235B `linear_op.csv`, `attention.csv`, or `moe.csv`; - checked-in Qwen235B config is BF16 with max position 40960, whereas the real run uses FP8 weights, FP8 KV, and max model length 262144; - real prefill uses FlashAttention and internal BLADNN kernels, while Frontier's attention profiler exposes only FlashInfer and NO-OP backends; - real decode starts with a dummy-filled external KV cache through `DecodeBenchConnector`; Frontier's trace request generator requires positive prefill tokens and has no equivalent initial-KV trace contract; - real decode combines DeepEP/NVSHMEM, EAGLE3, and FULL_DECODE_ONLY CUDA graphs; Frontier explicitly treats speculative decode plus decode CUDA graphs as a conflicting/diagnostic combination. Running dummy profiles or silently substituting FlashInfer/eager decode would produce a number, but it would not test whether Frontier matches this system. ## Community-vLLM Qwen235B smoke The controlled community stack is feasible: vLLM 0.10.2 loaded the Qwen3-235B-A22B-FP8 checkpoint on TP4, allocated a BF16 KV cache, and completed a real request. Representative FP8 linear/MoE, FlashInfer attention, and TP4 NCCL paths also executed successfully. The smoke nevertheless found a profiler/runtime mismatch before any scheduler model was involved. Frontier's MoE wrapper calls `get_config_dtype_str` without `use_fp8_w8a8=True`, so it misses vLLM's tuned H20 block-FP8 Triton config and uses a default. At TP4/EP1 with 16 tokens, a paired five-routing-seed factorial measured: | variant | grouped-GEMM mean | paired delta vs original | |---|---:|---:| | original default config + FP16 compute type | 0.3100 ms | 0.00% | | FP8 config key only | 0.2508 ms | -19.12% | | BF16 compute type only | 0.3088 ms | -0.40% | | both aligned | 0.2512 ms | -18.99% | The config-key-only routing-seed 95% interval is [-21.26%, -16.98%]; the compute-type-only interval crosses zero. This localizes the dominant error at this point to kernel tuning-config selection. The original MoE CSV must not be used for a formal Frontier ranking until this path and the related shuffling block-size lookup are aligned and re-profiled. Full evidence and hashes are in `results/community-qwen235b-smoke/`. ## Research implication The most interesting observation is already visible: Frontier's error is not a single global time bias. It changes strongly with the execution action (TP in Qwen30B), and a per-action residual can reverse the selected config. Qwen235B prefill and decode offer held-out tests of whether those residuals are explained by measurable execution-state features (kernel family, communication mode, graph mode, speculative width, and KV initial state) or require case-specific end-to-end fitting. That is a systems question: **which execution-state transitions make operator profile composition non-invariant across configurations, and what is the minimum real evidence needed to recover the counterfactual ordering?**