Design doc for a from-scratch post-training infra on top of xtrain. Ladder: SFT (have it) → DPO → reward model (optional) → GRPO, each rung one new post-training systems concept + a hard correctness gate (grad-check, PyTorch parity, degenerate checks, a falsifiable 'it learns' signal). Decisions aligned with the user (D1-D4): - D1 scope: DPO → GRPO, reward model optional. - D2 reward: rule-based / verifiable first; learned RM deferred. - D3 rollout: build the KV-cache incremental-decode engine UP FRONT (not naive-first) as the foundational milestone before DPO/GRPO. - D4 task: a verifiable task (arithmetic/format) with deterministic exact-match reward, for a clean RL signal. Locked milestone order: M1 SFT task baseline → M2 KV-cache decode engine (token-identical gate) → M3 DPO → M4 GRPO → M5 optional reward model. Status: design only, no implementation yet. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.8 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Phase: Post-Training Infra — SFT / DPO / Reward Model / GRPO — Design Document
Status: DESIGN — decisions locked, pending go-ahead to implement. Nothing implemented yet. This doc proposes the scope, the staged build, the new infra pieces, and the correctness gates for a standard post-training stack on top of the xtrain training framework. Decisions D1–D4 are resolved (see "Resolved decisions"): DPO → GRPO (reward model optional) · rule-based/verifiable reward · KV-cache decode engine built up front · a verifiable task as the optimization/eval target.
Goal
Build a standard, from-scratch post-training infrastructure — the systems layer that turns a pretrained base LM into an aligned chat model — and use it to run chat alignment. The deliverable that matters here is the infra and the lessons, not the end-to-end chat quality (see the project's learning-axis framing). Each stage should teach exactly one new post-training systems concept and ship with a hard correctness gate, matching the Phase-1/Phase-2 culture (grad-checks, PyTorch parity, bit-identical default paths, profile-first).
Concretely we want to be able to answer, with our own code:
- How does offline preference optimization (DPO) differ from SFT in the training loop — what is the reference model, why two forwards, what is the loss?
- How does a reward model turn preferences into a scalar signal?
- How does online RL (GRPO) actually run — the rollout engine, reward scoring, group-relative advantage, the clipped policy-gradient update, the KL leash?
- Where are the memory and throughput pressure points that make post-training infra different from pretraining infra (multiple models resident, generation in the loop)?
Baseline: what already exists vs. what is missing
What the framework already gives us (verified in code, reused as-is):
| capability | where | reuse for post-training |
|---|---|---|
batched forward → logits [B*S, vocab] |
model.rs::forward_batched |
logprob extraction for DPO/RM/GRPO |
| cross-entropy with ignore-index −100 | ops.rs::cross_entropy, nn.cu |
assistant-only / completion-only masking |
| assistant-only SFT (TSV, masked labels) | data.rs::load_sft_tsv_cached (commit fbf4ac2) |
SFT chat baseline = DPO init + reference |
| bf16 mixed precision, fp32 master | with_compute_dtype |
policy + frozen reference both bf16 compute |
| recompute / flash / grad-accum | with_recompute / with_flash / --accum-steps |
bound activation memory with 2–3 models resident |
| DDP (thread + process-per-GPU) | xtrain-distributed |
data-parallel post-training |
| AdamW + clip + LR sched + checkpoint | xtrain-optim, checkpoint.rs, schedule.rs |
unchanged optimizer path |
| single-seq greedy/temperature sampling | sample.rs::generate |
slow rollout fallback (no KV cache) |
What is missing and must be built (these are the actual lessons):
- Per-sequence completion logprob — a way to read
Σ log πθ(y_t | x, y_<t)over the completion tokens of a sequence. CE gives a mean scalar; DPO/GRPO need a per-sequence masked sum. New op or thin wrapper over the CE per-row machinery. - Frozen reference model held in memory alongside the trainable policy (no grad, no optimizer), or its logprobs precomputed and cached.
- Pairwise preference loss (DPO) and Bradley-Terry ranking loss (RM).
- Reward head — a
[dim,1]scalar head reading the last non-pad position (RM only). - Rollout / generation engine — batched autoregressive sampling. Current
generateis single-sequence and re-runs the full forward each step (no KV cache). Online RL needs batched rollouts; a real KV-cache incremental-decode engine is the centerpiece infra build. - GRPO machinery — group sampling, group-relative advantage, clipped PG loss, KL penalty, the actor-learner loop.
The post-training landscape — where the infra lives
data models in memory new systems concept
SFT (prompt, answer) policy loss masking (have it)
DPO (prompt, chosen, reject) policy + ref(frozen) dual forward, pairwise logσ loss
RM (prompt, chosen, reject) reward model scalar head, ranking loss
PPO prompts + reward source policy+ref+RM+critic rollout + GAE + clipped PG (4 models)
GRPO prompts + reward source policy+ref(+RM) rollout + group baseline + clipped PG
The pedagogical ladder is SFT → DPO → (RM) → GRPO. DPO is the cheapest "real" alignment method (no generation, no reward model, reuses the training loop almost verbatim) and is the right first rung. GRPO is chosen over PPO as the online-RL rung because it drops the value critic (group-relative advantage replaces the learned baseline) — that removes a whole model and the GAE machinery while still teaching the complete online-RL loop. PPO is noted as an optional later extension, not a primary target.
Proposed scope & sequencing (recommended path)
✅ DECISION D1 (scope/sequencing) — LOCKED: P0 → P1(DPO) → P3(GRPO), P2(reward model) optional. With D3 locked to "KV-cache engine up front", the engine becomes a foundational milestone that both DPO pair-generation and GRPO rollouts sit on. Effective build order: P0 → KV-cache decode engine → P1(DPO) → P3(GRPO) → P2(optional) (see "Milestones").
Stage P0 — SFT chat baseline (light; mostly reuse)
Goal: a clean SFT checkpoint to serve as both the DPO/GRPO init and the frozen
reference. With D4 = verifiable task, P0 SFT teaches the task format (e.g. arithmetic
prompts → a parseable answer such as \boxed{N}) so the model emits checker-readable
completions; the same template is reused by rollout and eval. The current SFT (commit
fbf4ac2) already does single-turn assistant-only masking; P0 only adds what alignment
needs:
- a fixed chat template (the
User:/Assistant:+<|endoftext|>format already used, promoted to a documented constant shared by SFT data prep, rollout, and eval), - optional multi-turn masking (supervise every assistant turn, mask user turns),
- optional sequence packing (concatenate examples to fill
seq, reset attention/RoPE per example — noteforward_batchedalready isolates sequences, so packing = careful index bookkeeping, not new attention code).
Gate: masking unit test (only assistant tokens contribute to loss); packing does not leak
loss across example boundaries. Hypothesis: a documented chat template + multi-turn mask
gives a reproducible SFT reference without changing the training numerics for single-turn data
(bit-identical to fbf4ac2 on single-turn input).
Stage P1 — DPO (offline preference optimization) ⭐ first real method
New infra:
- Preference data — constructed from the verifiable checker (D4). On a verifiable task
there is no off-the-shelf preference set, so we build pairs: sample several completions
per prompt from the P0 SFT model (using the KV-cache engine built in the prior milestone),
score each with the rule-based checker, take a correct completion as
chosenand an incorrect one asrejected. This is a one-time offline data-prep step; DPO training itself is then static. Tokenize each astemplate(prompt) + completion + EOS; build a completion mask (prompt = masked). seq_logprob(logits, target_ids, mask) → [B]: per-sequence sum oflog softmax(logits)[target]over masked positions. Implement by reusing the CE per-row path (CE per-row =−log πθ(target)), summing−per_rowover the mask. Add a grad-checked op so the backward is exact.- Frozen reference
πref: load the SFT checkpoint into a second model in eval/no-grad bf16. Its logprobs are constants in the loss. Optimization to teach: precompute and cache reference logprobs once over the dataset → the reference model need not stay resident during training (one model in memory, like SFT). - DPO loss (Rafailov et al.): with
Δ = β[(logπθ(yw|x) − logπref(yw|x)) − (logπθ(yl|x) − logπref(yl|x))],L = −log σ(Δ). Onlyπθterms carry gradient.
Memory: policy (fp32 master + Adam m/v + bf16 + grads) + reference (bf16 only, or cached logprobs → zero). Recompute + accum keep activations bounded; 1B fits 32 GB comfortably.
Correctness gates:
seq_logprobfinite-difference grad-check (tiny model).- DPO-loss + grad PyTorch parity (the project's standard gate).
- Degenerate checks:
πθ == πrefat init ⇒Δ = 0,L = log 2, implicit reward 0;β → 0⇒ gradient → 0. - Health metric: chosen−rejected reward margin rises over training; accuracy (margin > 0) increases. Reported, not just loss (the doc-13 lesson: val/loss alone is not a sufficient signal).
Application: chat alignment via DPO on English preference pairs. This is the offline chat-alignment deliverable.
Stage P2 — Reward model (Bradley-Terry) — OPTIONAL
✅ DECISION D2 (reward source) — LOCKED: rule-based / verifiable reward first. GRPO brings up on the deterministic checker; a learned reward model is deferred/optional (only if we later want general-chat GRPO). So this whole stage is optional and not on the critical path.
New infra: a scalar reward head ([dim,1]) reading the hidden state at the last
non-pad position; ranking loss −log σ(r(x,yw) − r(x,yl)). Reuses the preference data
and the dual-sequence forward from P1.
Gates: ranking-loss grad-check; held-out pairwise accuracy (r_w > r_l); a frozen RM
loads/serves the scalar correctly.
Stage P3 — GRPO (online RL, critic-free) ⭐ the deep infra lesson
This is the centerpiece. It introduces generation inside the training loop.
(a) Rollout / generation engine — built up front (its own milestone).
✅ DECISION D3 (rollout depth) — LOCKED: build the KV-cache incremental-decode engine up front, as a foundational milestone before DPO/GRPO, rather than starting naive. It is then the shared substrate for DPO pair-generation and GRPO rollouts. Tradeoff accepted: front-loads the single hardest build and delays the first alignment result, in exchange for a real generation engine and a clean, isolated infra lesson.
The engine: per-layer K/V cache, single-token incremental forward (process the prompt
once to fill the cache, then decode one token at a time), batched ragged decode (B prompts
× G samples; sequences hit EOS at different lengths → finished-mask / left-padding /
compaction). The current attention assumes a full causal window over seq; incremental decode
needs a decode-time attention path — query length 1 against cached K/V of length t, with
RoPE position = t. This reuses the composed SDPA shapes (one-row query), so it can land as a
distinct code path without disturbing the training attention (flash/GQA/composed unchanged).
Hard gate (the centerpiece correctness lesson): KV-cache decode == full-recompute decode, token-identical greedy output — the same byte-/token-identical discipline the project uses for the xserv export closed loop. A throughput baseline (decode tokens/s, cache-fill vs. per-token decode) is recorded here, before any rollout optimization (profile-first).
(b) Reward scoring. Rule-based verifiable reward first (e.g., exact-match on a synthetic arithmetic/format task) or RM from P2. Returns a scalar per completion.
(c) Group-relative advantage. Sample G completions per prompt; advantage
A_i = (r_i − mean(r_group)) / (std(r_group) + ε). No critic, no GAE.
(d) Clipped policy-gradient loss with KL leash. Per completion token,
ρ_t = exp(logπθ_t − logπθ_old_t) (old = policy at rollout time), token loss
−min(ρ_t A, clip(ρ_t, 1±ε) A) + βKL(πθ‖πref), masked to completion tokens. KL via the k3
estimator.
(e) Actor-learner loop. sample prompt batch → rollout G each → score → advantage →
capture πθ_old logprobs → K inner epochs of clipped PG updates → repeat. Reference πref
fixed throughout.
Memory: policy + reference (+ RM if learned). Each 1B; recompute + accum bound activations. Throughput note: rollout (generation) will dominate wall-clock — a baseline must be recorded (tokens/s of generation vs. update) before any rollout optimization, per the project's profile-first rule.
Correctness gates:
- PG-loss finite-diff grad-check.
- Degenerate checks:
G = 1⇒ advantage 0 ⇒ no PG signal, only KL;ε → ∞⇒ vanilla PG;β = 0⇒ no KL term. - (KV-cache decode token-identical to full-recompute is gated in the engine milestone, a prerequisite of GRPO.)
- Synthetic RL overfit: on a tiny verifiable task with a known optimum, mean reward must rise to the optimum (the RL analogue of T5's "overfit 27/27" — a hard, falsifiable signal that the loop is correct, independent of fuzzy chat quality).
Evaluation
- Offline (DPO/RM): reward margin, preference accuracy, KL drift from reference, plus the
fixed chat-prompt generation suite (
scripts/chat_alpha_fixed_prompts.txt) judged before/ after — reusing and extending the doc-13 recommendation for a generation-based eval harness (exact-match math, code syntax, stop-token, refusal appropriateness, corruption). - Online (GRPO): mean reward curve, KL-to-reference, response length, the verifiable-task pass rate, and the same fixed-prompt suite.
- Selection by generation eval, not loss — the recurring doc-13/v11 lesson: lower post-training loss did not mean better generations.
Memory & throughput budget (8× RTX 5090, 1.05B model, indicative)
- Params (bf16) ~2.1 GB; fp32 master ~4.2 GB; AdamW m/v ~8.4 GB; grads ~2.1 GB → policy optimizer state alone ~17 GB before activations. Recompute + grad-accum keep activations small; this is why post-training reuses the Phase-1/2 memory levers unchanged.
- DPO: + reference (bf16 ~2.1 GB, or 0 if logprobs cached). Fits.
- GRPO: + reference (~2.1 GB) (+ RM ~2.1 GB if learned). Fits; rollout activations are the new variable. Generation, not the update, is expected to be the throughput bottleneck — to be measured, not assumed.
Correctness-gate philosophy (unchanged from Phase 1/2)
Every stage ships: (1) a finite-difference grad-check on the new loss/op, (2) PyTorch parity on loss + grads where applicable, (3) explicit degenerate-case bit/again checks (β→0, G=1, ε→∞, ref==policy), (4) a falsifiable "it actually learns" signal (reward margin up / synthetic RL overfit), and (5) no change to the default training path when post-training flags are off. New CUDA kernels (if any, e.g. decode-time attention) get the same fwd/bwd-vs-reference gates as flash/GQA.
Risks & tradeoffs
- Rollout engine is the long pole. A correct KV-cache incremental-decode path is a real build (decode-time attention, ragged batch). Mitigation: naive rollout first; KV-cache as an isolated, separately-gated sub-phase.
- RL is finicky. KL leash, advantage normalization, clip range, reward hacking. Mitigation: synthetic verifiable task with a known optimum as the bring-up gate before any real chat reward.
- Reward-model noise can mislead GRPO. Mitigation: rule-based reward first.
- Tokenizer (KI-4) — gpt2 50257 vocab is kept for the xserv closed loop; unchanged here.
- Two/three resident models raise memory; bounded by recompute/accum and (for DPO) reference logprob caching.
Resolved decisions (aligned 2026-06-29)
- D1 — Scope & sequencing → DPO → GRPO, reward model optional.
- D2 — Online-RL reward source → rule-based / verifiable reward first (RM deferred/optional).
- D3 — Rollout engine depth → build the KV-cache incremental-decode engine up front (not naive-first), as a foundational milestone before DPO/GRPO.
- D4 — Alignment task / eval target → a verifiable task (arithmetic/format/GSM8K-style) with a deterministic exact-match reward, for a clean, falsifiable RL signal.
Milestones (locked order)
- M1 — P0 SFT task baseline. Chat template + assistant-only masking on the verifiable
task; produces the reference + init checkpoint. Gate: masking unit test; single-turn
bit-identical to
fbf4ac2. - M2 — KV-cache decode engine (D3, up front). Per-layer K/V cache + incremental decode-time attention + batched ragged decode. Gate: token-identical to full-recompute greedy; record decode throughput baseline.
- M3 — P1 DPO. Verifiable-checker pair construction (via M2) →
seq_logprobop (grad-check) → DPO loss (PyTorch parity; ref==policy and β→0 degenerate checks) → DPO training loop → run + reward-margin / preference-accuracy curve. - M4 — P3 GRPO. Group rollout (M2) + rule-based reward + group-relative advantage + clipped PG with KL leash. Gate: PG grad-check; G=1/ε→∞/β=0 degenerate checks; synthetic verifiable-task RL-overfit (mean reward → known optimum) → verifiable-task GRPO run.
- M5 (optional) — P2 reward model. Scalar head + ranking loss + pairwise-accuracy gate; enables GRPO-with-RM for general chat.
Each milestone is one design+gate cycle; results get appended here (like the run docs) and a row in
docs/evolution.md(algorithm/infra dimensions) when it lands.